My impression of new Pi systems are: (note running it on new Pi 5)
1. Wayland - totally unusable on anything higher than 1920x1080@60Hz with even it being a stretch. The higher resolution the more unusable it all feels. The compositing where mouse can only update when each application finishes its work for a frame has no place to be on any desktop.
The only visible difference is lack of tearing and this could already be (mostly) fixed with X11 compositors - with not even worse performance necessarily but more like different performance characteristics.
2. Pi desktop fixed some bugs with scaling icons on taskbar which is nice - always hated it that everything got broken as soon as I touched any taskbar icon settings. The whole environment seems more stable too. When using it on RPi4 in the past there could be at times obvious signs of running beta software. Today it looks much better and nothing broke from tinekring with the system for 2-3 weeks.
3. Pi desktop lacks basic configuration options/tools. I get why some settings were removed but the process should be that if tool that was there because it was useful or even necessary is removed then better tool replaces it...
...that said the best tool to replace Pi desktop for me was xfce4 - it has everything I wanted Pi desktop to have and then some. Maybe the direction Pi devs took is to just not bother with making it in to go to desktop manager and just provide something for initial testing or when desktop itself isn't at all needed because it isn't really used.
4. Why are we still running HID devices at 65Hz by default?
It made perfect sense up to Pi3. On Pi4 it should be at least 125Hz. On Pi5 (unless Wayland is used because then mouse update rate doesn't really matter with at best double digit mouse pointer update fps and often going single digit... at least on 4K monitor) I would say 250Hz - CPU on Pi5 is pretty powerful and it can handle smoother mouse just fine.
1. Wayland - totally unusable on anything higher than 1920x1080@60Hz with even it being a stretch. The higher resolution the more unusable it all feels. The compositing where mouse can only update when each application finishes its work for a frame has no place to be on any desktop.
The only visible difference is lack of tearing and this could already be (mostly) fixed with X11 compositors - with not even worse performance necessarily but more like different performance characteristics.
2. Pi desktop fixed some bugs with scaling icons on taskbar which is nice - always hated it that everything got broken as soon as I touched any taskbar icon settings. The whole environment seems more stable too. When using it on RPi4 in the past there could be at times obvious signs of running beta software. Today it looks much better and nothing broke from tinekring with the system for 2-3 weeks.
3. Pi desktop lacks basic configuration options/tools. I get why some settings were removed but the process should be that if tool that was there because it was useful or even necessary is removed then better tool replaces it...
...that said the best tool to replace Pi desktop for me was xfce4 - it has everything I wanted Pi desktop to have and then some. Maybe the direction Pi devs took is to just not bother with making it in to go to desktop manager and just provide something for initial testing or when desktop itself isn't at all needed because it isn't really used.
4. Why are we still running HID devices at 65Hz by default?
It made perfect sense up to Pi3. On Pi4 it should be at least 125Hz. On Pi5 (unless Wayland is used because then mouse update rate doesn't really matter with at best double digit mouse pointer update fps and often going single digit... at least on 4K monitor) I would say 250Hz - CPU on Pi5 is pretty powerful and it can handle smoother mouse just fine.
Statistics: Posted by e8root — Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:12 am